Thursday, November 1, 2012

Automatic Testing

While developing Euro Truck Simulator 2 and specifically the physics simulation in the game, we have been putting a lot of effort into improving our vehicle physics model. Our goal is to make it as close to reality as possible. We have come a long way, but we would like to go even further of course.

Complexity of the physical model is growing - small change of one parameter in the system can often have hard to predict consequences. There are more and more combinations of parameters or configurations which need to be properly tested. Just to mention a few, there are at the moment three different axle configurations, engines with different hp, surfaces with different friction coefficients, we test both acceleration and braking at varying slopes, with or without the trailer which may be of different weight...

If you count all the combinations which should be tested, you arrive to hundreds of thousands, and it has become impossible to test everything traditionally at the hands (and steering wheels) of human testers. Such testing would be too time consuming and hard to organize systematically. Since we want to deliver maximum possible quality, we had to come up with automatic testing.

Vehicle is given prepared instructions and it is placed on a testing map with specific terrain profile. All possible combinations are tested automatically overnight and the results are processed afterwords using Perl scripts. This way we can often catch problems hiding among the many combinations. Although human testers are indispensable, we can conclude that the energy invested into building this test procedure has already paid off.


132 comments:

  1. Nice scs but try to make night on 19:00 instead of the original

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    1. you are wright about that, i can drive without light at 22:00 so there is something wrong.

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    2. oh yes 18h or 19h please :) btw good luck on the testing.

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    3. this link by night 19:00.
      http://www.mediafire.com/?pc18my1d781l2um

      video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6cfxwSeD40

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    4. No, I think the game is set in the summer and in Middle Europe sunset in summer happens somewhat between 20h ~ 22h (depending how far in the East or West you live. As more as you get East, sunset and sunrise happen both earlier in reality.)

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    5. Please SCS, give us a forum for feedback! I like the nights the way they are, because I don't like the pitch black night (which also happens to be unrealistic).

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    6. Pitch black night is realistic, what game devs do on other games ("bluish" night) - That's unrealistic. ETS2 is PERFECT in this regard, change nothing.

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    7. I don't want SCS to change the night, but it was better in UKTS, nights are not pitch black in or around cities.

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  2. Nice scsteam..

    Peterbilt6106

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  3. This just keeps getting better and better! Good job SCS!

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  4. The game is very very nice.
    The only thing I'm surprised about physic simulation is that the truck cabin does'nt bend while turning fast.
    This is perhaps a detail.

    Your work is really great and I spend a lot of time with your beautifull sim !

    Thanks !

    I forgert something : the landscape is so beautifull, i would behappy to have a camera view with a far distance from the truck !

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  5. I noticed the scania has 2 of each engine, for example there are 2 320hp, 2 360hp and so on....Its that a bug ? And volvos engines are all availeble from the begining... 600hp, 700hp and 750hp. Thats a bit unfair for the iveco fan(for example) that starts with 310hp engine and has to unlock his way up to max (which is good becouse it follows the story)

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    1. lol.. Mods dosnt follow main profiles..

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    2. scania has EURO 5 / EURO 6 - engines to choose from

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    3. YEP..I noticed that ...THX m8

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    4. What's the difference about EURO 5 and EURO 6?

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    5. first to notice is the price and second I think the fuel consumption

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    6. dont be fooled by the volvo trucks hp,i tested all the starter trucks,

      yes volvo got the highest hp,
      means the fastest acceleration,
      BUT !
      volvo also has the worst braking distance it's like %50 more distance than any other average truck.
      and feels like a little bad aswell when cornering and steering, compared to other trucks,

      and all trucks got 90KM/h max speed (included volvo with 750hp).
      so it's all balanced, dont get the feeling like volvo is better than any other by only looking at the numbers..

      Note: These are all my personal test results with starter trucks only !

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    7. ooo...if thats the case than its ok. THX m8

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    8. Euro 5 and Euro 6 are emissions control standards, started off with 1, then 2, 3, 4, etc. Current real life vehicles are mostly euro 3, 4 or 5, although there are still plenty that aren't euro 3 even. Euro 6 should be more efficient I guess, if it's been programmed like that.

      Volvos are wrong in the game, the starter one should be lower power, not all FHs are 600+ bhp, I think that's only the FH16. In the real world most trucks are around the 300-400 bhp mark, it's not many that are full power.

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  6. Yup.. surely why release was surprisingly bug-free :)
    BUT, still some quick tweaks needed.. as the AWFUL graphic-lag in turn-direction light on mainly MAN-trucks (but are some in all). Can drive through towns and everything in high settings, without any fps-drop.. putting a turn-light on.. and wiiie.. we got a rubberband in our tail! Same on any graphic-settings..
    The better truck (engine) you got.. the worse is the effect, strangely enough..
    And weather don't work with fatigue on (for me anyway), driven 45+ real hours.. got 1 (!) rainy day in first game-week.. then nothing. BORING!! A quick patch, should be nice.. !!!

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    1. Rain only once in 45+? ...Ouch. :/

      Played 65+ here and think I got rain half a dozen times, or close to that anyway, so you might be on to something there, and me who so loves the rain, especially thunder!

      Hope this gets some attention for next patch. :)

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    2. Bah.. seems like you must be lucky getting in a right "cycle" then.. Yes, actually 50+ realtime hours now.. Even tried extra sleep, to see if i "catch up" weather (seeing clouds).. but no. Sun..sun.. and more sun (or stars at night)... Strange!

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    3. You can have my rain and welcome, seem to get rain most every long journey. Rain means I need the lights on and than I get bad framerate. Having the lights on at all drops the frame rate in normal scenery to something around 8-10 fps, whereas with lights off it's fast enough that I can't count it.

      also, it's not required in UK law to use lights in daytime rain.

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    4. Have you got weather set to high detail?

      Llewelyn, turn down light visibility to low in the settings.

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    5. I'll try that. Got any suggestions for annoying black squares? So far, that I've identified for certain, something near the back of the Magnum tractor unit, something near the front of the tall trailer that carries large panels, and something on one of the cars, which I've yet to identify (it's hard to see what car when a black square obscures half of it). Might be a mondeo?

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  7. what the key product? because I install my key but the game don't save this!

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  8. which truck is the best on hillclimbing?

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    1. since they all have the same gearbox, the best choice would be the truck with the bigest torque...(Nm)

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  9. Definitely, I would prefer FH13 440 instead 610hp FH16 when I won't haul anything so heavy and no need of great power that will burn more fuel.
    Yet there are good physics mods for this game, still I would love to see improvements from SCS which I believe they will reach higher realism, keep up your effort SCS 10/10 !

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  10. Openable windows please SCS.

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  11. Increase and improve rain, density and speed of the rain

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  12. hey guys i love the game but i find One thing missing. And the thing i am talking abouth is the red night light inside the truck cabin i just feel like it one of the small but yet important features to have in the game

    9/10 so far :D love Denmark

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  13. Cool, simulations inside a simulation!

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    1. Waiting for some one to simulate my life.. so i can do something more fun! :P

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    2. rain without lightning all the time =(

      Every single time it rains I get lightning. Thats not at all realistic imho. Maybe 5 or 10% chance of lightning when it rains.

      Good game anyway, lots of fun to drive.

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  14. We need more snowy road conditions especially in Austria and Switzerland...Would be cool. Icy windy roads. More gravel roads (as a temporary detour at road works maybe?) would be nice too...

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  15. Splendid information! Keep up the amazing work SCS Software team.

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  16. Thank you! I always tought that time to time, some "window to kitchen" (or better, "look under hood") article would be nice. Can I hope for more articles like this one?

    It really looks you take it very seriously. Almost as some lab, not as game developer. :-D But that's great, I believe it'll make only good use for you.

    Btw I listened you on games.cz podcast, nice interview! ;-)

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  17. speed up the Ai trucks they are to slow specialy on b roads and also some other problems with ai traffic

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    1. here you go: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mdvn4d

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    2. @Andrei: The readme doesn't seem to say this increases AI speed though. Maybe you meant to link another one?

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  18. Hmm.

    So, the Scania 730 is the quickest in the testing?

    The different colored lines were not marked...so I will continue to think that the Scanias are the better than the rest.

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  19. IS there any button to go to R march directly instead pressing Ctrl 12 times to get there?

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    1. So you can't like bind R to a keyboard key? :S I'm using a H-shifter, so I dunno.. :)

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  20. Someone could create a mod that can reduce a little more intensity headlights? The lighting is too bright.
    Thank you!

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    1. here you go:
      http://www9.zippyshare.com/v/49341182/file.html

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    2. Thanks andrei, the mod is exactly how I want!
      You could also reduce the intensity of the "high beam" when I activate "additional illumination"?

      EXEMPLE:
      http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1441/stronglight.jpg

      Friend, thanks for the help!

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    3. try and swich off hdr.
      it helps.

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  21. TURKEY get in the game

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  22. Hello, the game is very good but if put the stuffs from Truck & Trailers and Scania like heavy roads, animals on the road, places to park the trailers, will be best game ever....now the game is a lil bit boring, because there is no action. Put a peanlty ticket for highlights and more truck models :)

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    1. Trucking is a pretty boring profession, which this game simulates pretty well imho. But I find it boring in a good way. Mainly I enjoy listening to radio streams, dunno if there's a way to get Swedish ones on there, but I quite enjoy listening to French NRJ atm. :P

      But, more complicated parking locations, and dangerous roads might add to the experience, maybe something to think about SCS? :)

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    2. I've been a truck driver for 9 years now, and it's more fun now than when I started.
      It's not a boring job, if you think so, you're maybe not the right person for the job or didn't find the right view and feeling for it.

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  23. i would use the diferents modes of conduction that in real Volvos. I mean that i would put a button E/P in automatic mode for down some gears and work at higher RPM like in real Volvos.

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  24. Please make real workable gauges (Like needle for fuel consumption in Scania). Not just rpm, km/h, fuel, temperature...

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  25. *PLEASE READ THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT, SERIOUSLY!*
    Hey SCS! :)
    So, where do i start, oh yes - the lights.
    So, the lights in ETS2 (truck lights (only from your own truck, not from the others on the road!)), there are some problems with them and the fps when you turn them on. So if I turn lights on my fps gets low, about 10-15 fps less then when they are turned off, and when I turn them on there are lags, and it's pretty anoying :(
    I'm not the only one who have that problem, about 95% Polish peaple have the same problem as me, I am from Poland and I look a lot on the Polish forums, so I know how their game is running.
    Ps.I. And I don't play on the highest grafics, I play on middle grafics, and I used to play on 100% graduation, but now I have to play on 75%, because of the lights!
    Ps.II. And it doesn't matter if you have a bad computer or a very high and very good computer, it still lags when you turn the lights on.
    Can You please do something about it, maybe in the next patch? I'ts quite anoying that even if you have a very good computer, it just lags... :(:(:(
    Please do something! :( Or give me a advice what i can do! Please! :(

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    1. I also I have this problem, relantiza with lights and intermittent

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    2. Guess I'm lucky, not getting this and running at 150 for smoothness, can do 200 but then I kinda feel it, slightly.

      CPU i5 2500
      GPU GTX 570
      OPSYS Win 7 64bit
      RAM 8gig

      Also am using a different HD for pagefile than OPSYS one, which I had to do to play Black-ops without it hacking. Dunno if that could be the main reason I'm not experiencing this prob?

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    3. i have
      intel core 2 quad q6600 3.15 ghz (%30 oc)
      ati radeon hd6850 1 gb 256 bit
      4 gb ram (ocz)

      and play at max settings and i dont have any problems with lights. i think i'm lucky too.

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  26. I would like it to be a multiplayer game.

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  27. Hello SCS !



    Transportation of goods from the port and the PETROL STATION
    Transportation of goods from motor to port
    New possibilities of delivery!

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  28. Clever! :) Good luck, SCS. Looking forward to what's to come.

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  29. Add Mercedes-Benz New Actros (MP4) please. Thanks.

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  30. News about AI bus traffic?

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  31. Needs more pedestrians in the cities for mas real ambient.

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  32. Pepemola y la panda del mocoNovember 2, 2012 at 2:38 AM

    The views from inside the cab of the truck are very narrow, when you drive down a highway are not the names of the cities on posters, moons broader truck top to make them look better traffic signals when you go to 80-90 km / h or the names of the biggest cities, and more lighting at night, just looks a bit of signal, the rest is dark, you have to go all the time watching the GPS, the indications road are very bad. Thanks SCS.

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    1. A zoom function would be nice to help with that, I'd personally set it to RMB. Hope this'll be implemented one day. :)

      PS: Maybe the ability to set FOV in the options too?

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    2. 18WOS and ALH had a zoom ability I seem to recall. would be useful, as the field of view is a bit narrow compared with real life

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  33. hope traffic trucks also get this

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  34. Make it rain.... More!

    I've noticed a thing, that I think other people did as well: about the rain of the game. I think the rain is too forgiving.. You can drive normally without using your whipers. Other thing is, there is no "night rains". When you are around 20h, and starts to rain, simply the sky does not became dark. If the rain keep going, you can see that the wheater wont get black. Using the same rain topic, I think that would be better if the rain particles can be increased, and i'm suggesting a extra speed for the whipers: 1 time, normal function, 2 times, whipers faster, for heavy rain.
    I hope this can be added or updated for the game.

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    1. Please look into this as well, SCS! I would love to also have different wiper settings!

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    2. да пожалуйста. сделайте

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    3. Better rain mod is neccesary. We want to feel that is raining outside, so the wipers beeing helpful

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    4. it 3 times in the whole game, night rain
      http://www.imageup.ru/img215/1094558/eurotrucks2-2012-11-03-21-41-58-96.jpg.html

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  35. Sorry but physics and FFB still sucks. Modders do better job than developers. BIG FAIL!

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    1. Modders could potentially be the best programmers on the planet, so I'm not too surprised they're capable of doing things SCS's programmers might not be able to do yet.

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    2. FFB and physics seem OK here. What hardware are you using?

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  36. サイドマーカーが路面を照らすようにしてください
    それと日本語対応もお願いします

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  37. 希望能够改进燃油消耗计算,RPM and TIME 计算燃油消耗。比靠里程计算要准确!

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  38. 有个问题,为什么要90KM/h 限速呢?有的车是可以跑到90以上的。尤其是没有载货的车!

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  39. AI转弯像轨道车,油耗不真实(比如N档加油油耗不变)

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    1. AI's feel like on rails uh? Maybe cuz they ARE on rails? Yet to see a game that doesn't use rails for AI cars, some hide it a bit better though, but hey, this isn't GT5. :P

      Wondering if this is all the same guy, or is fuel consumption this big in japan? :)

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    2. 就是车辆怠速是应该也用油量的

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  40. Hello SCS


    I bought the truck in a parking garage Munich, followed by the number sign has emerged of Munich.
    I take this truck, and the sign is changed to another??
    Please fix the number plate on the vehicle registration.

    Thank you.




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    1. All the trucks I have bought, from all places, have UK numbers. My company started in the UK, this is what it should be. I haven't looked at the trucks which are based in another garage in Germany, to see if they are UK numbers or German.

      One thing I did notice was wrong, the trailer rear number should match the truck, parked trailers don't have numbers.

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    2. checked this now: the trucks have a number based on the location of the garage where they are based, which is not completely accurate (if I have a UK registered truck it keeps the same number wherever base it in the UK, it doesn't change if I move it from Swansea to Glasgow), but it's a minor issue. The ones I moved to Germany now have German plates.

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    3. That is not true, the trailer rear number should NOT match the truck. European trailers over 750kg are required to have their own registration, so they also have their own number plates.

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  41. Tell me please, how do I turn off the sound of the cash register!?
    Quite a headache from the constant sound of income.

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  42. If you are having frame problems and uses W64

    Try 4gb_patch
    http://www.ntcore.com/4gb_patch.php

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  43. SCS team Great work ,

    1)Bu I hope You add Side Skirt (6X4-2 and 6X4 Trucks ) in next patch :) I love Side skirt...

    Check that links please:

    http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9573/asasa2.png

    http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4027/6288126031a84a1a5b65z.jpg

    http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1838/6732410899f528945bfaz.jpg

    http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5619/78147937745e05fb3685z.jpg

    2) why RENO premium can not be modified ?

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  44. While you're about the physics, the truck engines still stall far too easily in low gears. Try this in the real world, a truck can be shunted around the yard on the flat without touching the throttle, it doesn't stall the engine. Applies even more so to an unladen tractor, but even a loaded one on normal flat ground. Plus, modern engines with electronic fuel metering often have an anti-stall feature...

    One other minor point: the number plate on the trailer should be the same as on the truck. trailers that are parks have no number of their own, in most countries.

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    1. That is not true, the trailer rear number should NOT match the truck. European trailers over 750kg are required to have their own registration, so they also have their own number plates.

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  45. Great game overall, but shame that there are no holes in the roads and more of europe, like capital of poland, more of france, italy. Im future patches I hope you add more of europe.

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  46. Hello;

    Could anyone tell me how to increase low beam light range in the "lights mod", because i've bought lights for front and roof of the truck but in low beam it is the same, only in high beam you can see the difference, and if i switch to high beam i will have a ticket.

    REgards.

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    1. You won't, you know. You would in real life, but in the game you can drive with high beam on all the time if you wish - I've never yet had a ticket for that, only for not using lights when I should (e.g. in rain). The extra lights should not come on with low beam, in most countries - although I agree the low beams are a little short range in the game, they are however loads better than previous games.

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  47. we want multiplayer support and more detail. why do you make your games 500 mb all the time? is there any restriction? make them 5-10 gb and add more detail. we really love your games. i play ets2 since release. every day and every day i enjoy more. i hope you understand me.

    thank you and good luck.

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  48. Because of the Physic:

    WHY all trailer have the SAME mass, defined at the physics.sii? Two Wheel-Loader are the same like one etc - please! Another point are the trailer-paintshops, it's nothing that, what I call a modding friendly solution(one for all ...). Next step the Truck-Tuning: Why I can't put Horns directly on the Roof, or these little Flashlights? Xenon light should be also a part of the Tuning and not dependet with the cabine.

    Because of the new Shader: With Zmodeler2 it's possible to mod the Game. But it's impossible to define a mat for the truckpaints(or new tuning parts with these colors), because they taken the color from a 2. UV Map(ZMod2 can't export that correctly). And now that's the reason, why i should buy ZModeler3? Only one shader they can handle this without pass ... not more ...

    It's really a very nice Game, but there are some mistakes(imo).

    Kamaz

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  49. Just a thought:

    Maybe a option for a future Patch: Definable Masses for Trailer and Loads, the summation are the total mass, as in reality.

    Kamaz

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  50. OK, scs. What about on-line (multiplayer) gaming? I want to play with real peoples, and I ready to pay for this, like fans of WoW.
    Think about, plz :)

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  51. I'd like to get sound effects added to the handbrake.

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  52. I would like to have my company name on all my trucks too, and be able to see my drivers on the road. Plus, the addition of other virtual companies using their own colors could be a cool feature.

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    1. Company name on your own truck would be excellent.

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  53. Thanks SCS, I welcome this tweak, great work.

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  54. adr trailers missing un-number.. as mailed to pavel.

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  55. Amazing technology you developed. I think this will make updates come out a lot quicker which means we will have more updates. Thank you SCS!!

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  56. děláte tam moc dobrou práci ! COOL !..šikovné české ručičky :-)

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  57. Please scs, the AI is use a 6x4,6x2 axles with costumizable. Please!

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  58. HI SCS team. It would be extremely usefull to add real Antialiasing in Euro Truck 2, because MLAA + scaling, even with 400% bring to the game very poor results. Blinkies and awfull edges.... So many nice details you've put in your game which are totally altered by the huge amount of AA. That's so sad... :(

    Great Game though, but this really annoy many persons. I know you're a little team so i really hope it is one of your objectives in a future patch. Keep the good work !! ;)

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  59. http://www.hgvuk.com/wp-content/uploads/DAF-Euro-6-XF.jpg
    http://www.abload.de/img/ets2_000516fjfa.png

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  60. Dear SCS team...I wish you put some nice parking brake sound in this great game sooner or later.. ;)

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  61. Nice to see how you develop the physics.

    I have been a truck driver for 9 years. I'm driving the same Mercedes Actros that is in the game. It's cool that the details are so realistic, and even the "poof" sound the engine makes when turning it off is the same as in real life.

    When talking about physics in the game... it's sad that the truck doesn't feel heavy when you drive; Compared to reality, it feels like the trucks in the game weight as much as a "empty milk package" if you know how i mean.
    When driving with full weight in reality you really feel the weight of the truck when changing lanes and turning in intersections, and you often have to shift the weight of the truck carefully before changing lanes or sharp turns. But in the game, the truck is changing lanes like a go-cart.

    So it would be nice to have some more realistic feeling of the weight of the truck in the game; make it feel a bit more heavy and slow when shifting lanes and turning in intersections with a heavy load. More like driving an elephant not a mouse or a go-cart :P to make it feel more like in real life.

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  62. SCS, please remake all the truck models, they are incomplete. Man has only one type of cabin in cockpit view, doesen`t matter if i use the lowest cabin on Man, if i change the camera to the interior, yes i will see tha standard interior without GPS but when i look around the cabin is XXL not XL. It is too big.

    Scania has a problem with interior lightning, not all the buttons are on, on the door, they are not working, and there are a few on the dash, check it please!

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  63. SCS please, make models with those trucks with 2 interiors, 3 cabins, 3 axels. PLEASE!
    http://www.ttm.nl/wosimages/9392_353.jpg
    http://www.v10.pl/archiwum/flota/newsy/marki/man/facelift_2012/man_tgx_2012_01.jpg
    http://www.guidoitaliano.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/iveco-stralis-2012.jpg
    http://image.trucktrend.com/f/32076662/2012-mercedes-actros-front-view.jpg
    http://image.trucktrend.com/f/features/news/2012/163_news120907_volvo_unveils_new_fh_series_truck/39477791+pheader_460x1000/Volvo-FH16-On-Road-Trailer.jpg

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  64. When the truck is at a complete stop, the tail lights should be on; I have to hold on to the brakes in order to keep them on; how come you guys removed this function from the previous simulation (SCANIA Truck Driving Simulator)???

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  65. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICrum2lPNt4&feature=youtu.be

    2 bugs here SCS, one is in the side mirror, the lane is disappearing and the second bug is when you are tire should be " oboseala se acumuleaza" not oboseala de acumuleaza". Fix it!

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  66. Is there a possibility to put in gas stations in the cities?

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    1. Yes, but i don`t understand why SCS dindt` add at least one per city. :|

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  67. Tyre physics should be improve, Spin It!
    and the truck's balance

    I know it's not GT5/LFS/IRACING and need very hard work.
    But I guess more people will feel that and support.
    not just for truck fans only.

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  68. Is there a possibility to put in gas stations in the cities?

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