Thursday, November 7, 2013

Demolition Day... erm... Sound Recording Day


There are so many elements and features in our game code and art assets that we know would deserve improvement. Sound effects are not an exception, sound is a very important part of the overall experience, in fact more important than what people think "at first sight."

We have taken the opportunity of earning a bit of extra revenue thanks to sales from Halloween Paint Job Pack on Steam, and today we wanted to show you how we invested the money! We organized a special event yesterday with the goal of making quality sound recordings of car crashes. We put special emphasis on having a safe event, we even had a fire brigade and an ambulance car at the ready should anything go not quite right. Behind the wheel, we had the honor of welcoming a star Czech stuntman Jarda Psenicka. His credits include stunts for many major movie productions, including Titanic, Doom, Hellboy, and many more.



Our plans for the next sound recording event? A V8 engine!

136 comments:

  1. Лучше-бы покупку своих прицепов сделали

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    1. ))) сам то небось пиратку юзаешь)))

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    2. Он дело говорит, если они сделают покупку своих прицепов, от этого будет много плюсов, в том числе и к реалистичности и к возможности добавить цельные грузовики с прицепами. А так да, звук - это конечно же хорошо, но, еще как минимум, четыре новые машины в игру не добавили..

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    3. так покупайте саму игру ... дополнения к ней ... и будет Вам счастье))) ... что б что то добавили на халяву с бесплатными патчами - надо за что то заплатить))) а то вон ребята что б эти звуки записать DLS в Steam продавали ...

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    4. Что за чушь? Первый ключ я купил на "гаме", потом взял и коробку с игрой. Что касается Стима, это как раз неправильный путь, другое дело, если б она была только "стимовской" игрой, как Хитман или Спящие Псы, а так, явно неправильное направление, DLC должны быть доступны для всех версий.

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    5. умничка что купил))) а стим это как раз правильный путь так как он дает путь на котором может найти игра больше желающих чем стоящая коробка в магазине за которой придет энтузиаст которому эта игра интересна))) сорри за тавтологию конечно))) в вопросе того что дополнения должны быть доступны всем - это правильно (уже писалось что те кто хочет перевести игру в Steam может это сделать и получить дополнения из Steam - так что руки у всех развязаны)))

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    6. ребята подскажите плиз, я купил в стиме а ключик-то мой где ? вдруг стим накроется медным тазом или у меня инет вырубят что мне делать-то ? )))

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    7. Тогда, небось, ещё и лицензию на прицеп, разработчикам покупать нужно будет)) Хотя конечно действительно хорошая идея, гонять с оригинальным хвостом)))

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    8. Там нет ключей, игры что купил в Стиме, только для Стима. Играть в оффлайне (это кстати, еще одна причина, почему я не хочу вводить ключ в Стим).

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    9. Анонимный7 ноября 2013 года в 5:24 PM
      ошибаешься с первого дня лицуху юзаю+все дополнения

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    10. вполне можно играть через Steam и в оффлайне))) я так переодически и многие другие делают))) не говорите бред Уважаемые)))

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    11. Вопрос был: как играть, если нет интернета? - играть в оффлайне.

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    12. wtf???????????????????

      GOOGLE TRANSLATE, HELP ME :)

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    13. AnonymousNovember 7, 2013 at 8:10 PM

      Вопрос был: как играть, если нет интернета? - играть в оффлайне.

      steam---перейти в автономный режим

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    14. TruckerGuy135
      Russian language

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  2. Sounds good :) Good luck with the v8

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    1. They Should Use The Scania V8 Or A Ferrari V8!!! :D

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  3. Изверги, варвары )

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  4. Ha! So you are aware of the importance of sound, SCS. Then is there any change you will implement an option to roll down the truck's windows to let ambient sound in (optionally) during driving?

    All the sounds you've created are, except for the engine, almost inaccessible when sitting in the almost sound-proof cabin and please don't tell me that you haven't seen a trucker with an open window and his arm sticking out ;)

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    1. +100 and another I do not like the sound of winking lights

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    2. +10000000 even in those cabins, you can hear thunders or trainpassing by.... or a slightly whoomm when a big truck passes you by closely

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    3. +1 Just use the sounds already there when driving from the front of the truck, #6 on the keyboard, but make them optional by winding the window down.

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  5. I want this job!!!

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  6. SCS has made it possible to donate your money to develop your games. Only I can only through webmoney :D

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    1. Why donate? Buy their games and all DLC's they have on Steam and you supporting them the best. And you get good content for the game in return!

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  7. great stuff, i'm guessing scania v8 well hoping at least

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  8. I hope you'll put together with sound destruction on trucks too ...because ,without of destruction is everything insignificantly !!

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  9. SCS I love you and I want you to have long sex!

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    1. I hope that this is a fuck-up from google translate or something...

      0__0

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    2. Snad si to v SCS někdo přečte tak to napíšu česky bo google translátor je na prd.

      SCS miluju vás a chci vás všechny pomilovat! Odvádíte zatraceně dobrou práci a jsem rád že vím že když si koupím DLC budou tyto finance použity ke zdokonalení mé oblíbené hry.

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  10. Please, consider recording deceleration sound also, not only accelerations. Sounds different and it makes a huge difference while driving.

    Good luck with the V8!

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  11. Hello SCS
    Is it possible to work on the effects of the damage (not visible):
    Lamps that no longer works due to shocks
    Gearshift rate or blocks when the transmission is affected
    Loss of fuel / electric failure / Problem brake pressure ...
    Thanks

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    1. gearbox and electric issues are already in...

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    2. I have to agree with Rene,looks a bit silly now when truck going 90km/h,hit the guard rail and just bouncing off of heh and stop!!!!they have a physics..but they dont have that presure ..of mass.
      for example.......
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PIXfIbHFFc
      Scania starts fast...light caro....
      I do miss a bit of noise from the outside from truck "in game "!
      New volvo need a automatic breaking system :) "that is my wish"

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  12. Good news!
    I suggest to release a pair of DLS for Steam and make all the sounds in the game a reality!

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  13. If little things like the skin pack helps pay for a great improvement like that, make more and we'll buy it for sure!
    Make a vote for a old style truck payed dlc.
    If the b-train is the focus of the game, then make a payed dlc for who like this.

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    1. "If the b-train is NOT the focus of the game"

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  14. The SCS has my respect. always thinking of the customer.
      I'm happy to have helped buying the original game and the DLCs on Steam.

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  15. that "sounds" like a lot of fun! :D

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    1. It wood be awesome if I was good at making puns!

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    2. Bm. Bm. Tssssh.

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  16. when u gonna add visual damage for vehicles ?

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  17. I'm glad that we can see where our money are released. Respect!

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  18. Look like you had some fun...hum sorry you worked hard ;)
    Seriously, who's gonna blame you if it's for a good cause :)
    Glad to see you're still looking to improve your game ! you're doing a great job.

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  19. great job. RESPECT!, from Romania

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  20. You are so cool!
    Now I know what you´re doing with the money I paid for the skin pack.
    It seems to be your plan to make the crash sounds in the game realistic, right? Very nice! And the thing with V8 engine... I can´t wait for the result!
    Always keep busy ;)

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  21. Pekne použité peniaze, som zvedavý aké to bude v hre. Ale mám dve otázky: keď už sme pri havariach, bude v hre aj viditeľné poškodenie trucku pri náraze? a druhá: pozeral som aj video kde ste nahrávali zvuk na Scanii R420 vo verzii Higline - prečo táto verzia v hre nemá tie spoilere ako na tom videu a ako má topline?

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    1. Poškození ve hře nikdy nebude bo to je simulátor ježdění kamionu né destruction derby:)

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  22. SCS can you introduce change oil and damage if engine is over rev?

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    1. It is already part of the game - when driving you truck it takes ware and tare etc into account - you see what need changing/repairing/damage when you visit the service bay, engine and tyres or just some of the parts listed.

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  23. you should add visual damage to the trucks, ai and trailers. And that the ai steering is visable.

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    1. No damage or blocking access to making videos of named trucks running over people/stuff - both by the design of game (ETS2) or video take downs requests to youtube etc is normally part of the agreement to use copyright/IP of the trucks in the game.

      Truck makers are very sensitive to what happens to there images and use in games and more so when people can make there own content and post to youtube etc (hence no named cars etc in GTA games) - also it hard to see one truck company even allowing light damage, it goes two ways, one way: It could be in the SCS agreement that if one truck company says yes and what type of damage is possible the rest of the truck companies used in ETS2 must agree also at the same time or the second way: why would one truck company allow and have video of there tuck being smashed up on youtube and into one another where other trucks take no damage - share holder etc will not like it

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  24. OKZZzzzz, these is grate, butt wheren is teh nu DAF cuming owlt !!!?? I merst havit nowl SCS!! I kcanot wayt enilonger! Sorrry 4 badd enrigsh!

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    1. Translation: OK(ZZzzzz), This is grate, but where is the new DAF coming out? I must have it now SCS!! I can't wait any longer! Sorry four bad english.

      I believe SCS was working on 2 trucks, and I think that one of those is the new DAF, but I might be wrong. Actually, I want all new trucks, but it takes some time. You have to wait a little longer, I hope that the new trucks are in January...

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  25. What about all trucks sounds and then a V8?

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    1. Yes. I totally agree with you!
      SCS, please record original DAF (and more important to me) MAN truck-sounds!
      Then make a V8!
      P.s.: I really liked the idea of an interior-add-on - DLC!

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  26. Make the traffic of old cars (from 1990 to 2000), because the roads are not alone supercars around :)

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  27. when is there would be a recording of his Scania V8 open pipe

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  28. You mentioned about sound and its importance. So why engine sound in the cab is so quiet? Same with turbo - its completly unhearable inside the cab which is very unrealistic! We need to install problematic mods to have louder engine and turbo sounds. Why do not place an engine and turbo zip in sound options? Same with sounds of pneumatic gear changing system - in the game is only single "pssss" sound while changing a gear.

    Another thing is that when we changing a gear rpm of engine are not descending while clutch is pressed down.

    Dont get me wrong, I really appreciate your work, but game needs a lot of improvments to be able to call it true simulator. Recording crash sounds is very good idea, a step forward :) .

    Keep good work :) .

    Big fan of your games,

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    1. The sounds in cabin are quite because it is same as in real life. I have personal experiences from sound recording of Iveco sounds and short drive in DAF XF. If you will take a ride in the modern truck you will agree that we made this good. If you are not happy about that, you can mod it and increase volume of sounds in cabin, but we (as developers) will make it as is in real life;)

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    2. You did it right, I had a experience of a DAF, couse I drove in it, and it is the same as the game, good work.

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    3. Sounds in the cabin (and in general), especially detailed ones, the ones normally you wouldn't hear, are sound very different on various equipment.

      For instance I also though sounds are week, until I disabled all effects and equalization my soundcard drivers, in attempt to hear what SCS has designed.

      Also chose of headphones is important. Cheaper versions simply skipping some of sound ranges. For instance with my old headphones for 15$ i felt ETS2 sounds are horrible and irritating. Once I got my Sennheisers for 80$, whole game had changed in way its sounds. The engines sounds are amazing. I hear everything, every detail.

      On case you are on budget Koss Porta Pro will do job very well too.

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    4. I was driving Scania 124G 360 km for a few months and it has clearly hearable turbo and engine sound, my father is driving Daf XF105 460 km this year model, its still have much louder sound of engine and turbo inside the cab. I'm attributable to trucks for more than 20 years now, and drive many older and modern trucks and I still saying, that engine and turbo sound inside the cab is to quiet and definitely its not as in real life :) . Its not only me saying that if there are so many mods that changing loudness of above mentioned sounds.

      Its not a problem with my sound system set up, becouse I tried many configurations and played the game on a few diferent systems. Its always to quiet in comparation to other sounds.

      But I'm familiar with fact, that hearing is individual thing, which is why I proposed to place a zip to regulate this sounds. Then everyone can set it as they want without problematic mods.

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  29. Christmas is approaching, you can take this as an opportunity to make another awesome DLC with skins that we can buy, helping your investments. :)
    Good luck SCS !
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    www.jocuriarena.com - Romania !

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  30. Maybe you should use that test to improve the colisition system on the game, with real simulated damaged parts, not only the damage report.

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  31. YaY V8 finally!!!!!

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  32. Звучит очень заманчиво... звуки и все такое...
    Однако, как уже было сказано выше - вид из кабины, являющийся основным видом в 99% случаев в игре, не дает возможности наслаждаться реалистичным звучанием Двигателя, включая свист Турбины! Что является неотъемлемым фактором вождения грузовика!
    Пожалуйста, СКС, прислушайтесь к нашим просьбам и улучшите звучание двигателя в салоне (включая звук турбины и работы КПП)
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    C уважением,
    траксим фан из Украины,
    Евгений Позитифф
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    Sounds very tempting, SCS... sounds are very important part of the ETS2... But as already mentioned above - the view from the cockpit, which is the main type in 99% of cases in the game, does not give possibility to enjoy realistic sound of Engine, including Turbine whistle !!!
    That is the essential factor driving the truck! Please, SCS, listen to our requests and improve sound of the engine in the cab (including turbine sound and gearbox)
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    Best regards, trucksim fan from Ukraine,
    Eugene PoZiTiff

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    1. Там как раз все правильно, в кабинах, очень хорошая шумоизоляция стоит, в пол голоса разговаривают в них.

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    2. шумоизоляция реалистичная, но надо сделать что-бы была возможность открывать окна (для тех кому нравится слышать звук мотора, проезжающих машин и так далее), это было-бы ещё реалистичнее )

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    3. еще предложи что б девочки на дорогах стояли)))))

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  33. Мне кажется это не главная проблема ЕТС 2

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    1. а какая-же главная ? поведай нам пожалуйста, не держи в себе )))

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  34. I am also in favor of adding visual collision. I am aware that it must be a true grand task to add at this point, but it would greatly add to the realism factor.

    I'm not sure if this is possible, but maybe you should talk to the guys at Codemasters (F1 series, DiRT series, etc.). They are quite experienced with good, realistic visual damage in vehicles.

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    1. You have to understand that the Manufacturers don't want their trucks to be portrayed as death machines. They wont give permission to have visual damage to their trucks either.
      Thats why Forza and Gran Turismo only have very light damage and scratches. Don't count on visual damage anytime soon.
      Instead people should ask for simple things, like having real, clean, exhaust sound, you have no idea how much better the game would be to play. If anyone is neglecting sound, try turning it off while you play the game, even better if you can turn off just the engine sound and leave the other sounds on. You will realize how important the real engine and exhaust sound really is.

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    2. you are wrong, the game Race Driver GRID also licensed cars and despite this they are broken into pieces)

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    3. Giving a single example doesn't make him "wrong". This is a known issue that racing games have had for as long as I can remember when using licensed vehicles - the manufacturers are *very* reluctant to give permission for realistic or visible vehicle damage. It's a brand image issue.

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  35. How about fixing game stutters so I never have to hear crash sounds.

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    1. These stutters are caused by autosaving. I've sent a message to SCS support.
      By the way, how much drivers have you hired? How many percent of the map discovered?

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  36. Go Get Beam NG and They Do The Awesome Soft Body Physics For World Of Trucks and Get SpinTires TO Do The Really Realistic Off Road and Suspension!! ALso Get Euro Truck Simulator 2 For Mac!!! Please It Has Been Ages!!

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  37. What can i say? Way to go SCS! These crashes will be a major improvement on the sound effects of ETS 2 and other future sims!
    Keep up the excellent work!

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  38. Very good!!
    It would be even better if it were possible to open the windows.
    The performance of the sound of the world coming into the cabin ETS would make the game more realistic. After all no one runs all the time with the windows closed.
    Another detail: Never have other trucks loading or unloading in companies. The fuel stations are always deserts and so on ....

    PSN - Brazil

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    1. 'The fuel stations are always deserts'? Really? Well, I do agree, that it is quite rare to see AI driving to fuel stations, but they actually do: trucks without trailers, trucks with trailers, cars and buses.

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  39. make the sounds more realistic as in this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRozuTiH0ak

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    1. yes, and graphics, as in this video :D

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  40. Вообще круто что разработчики так активно развивают игру! SCS бери мои деньги за DLCы и делай ещё круче!)))

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  41. I would like to say a "BIG THANK YOU" for being transperent with the community and for giving fans what they want. While you can't please everyone, each step is a step in the right direction for the future! Keep up the good work and if you listen to the community, they will support you.

    A nifty feature would be to have a little mod that once a truck has done say 100,000km on the clock it turns on a sound mod that has the cab creaks and rattles a truck develops as it gets older - just a thought

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  42. Dear SCS, make PLEASE opportunity to have the trailer that it too could be adjusted in a workshop.

    Уважаемые SCS, сделайте ПОЖАЛУЙСТА возможность иметь свой прицеп, чтобы его тоже можно было настраивать в мастерской..

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  43. Лучше бы они в свой DLS добавили тюнинг салона (ламбрекены, шторки и прочие висюльки), а то так совсем не интересно!!!
    я понимаю,что есть моды разные,но мод есть мод

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  44. Please add tyre sound of trucks/trailers. Now you can only hear the engine of the truck which is not how it should be. You can't even hear the engine because of the tyre sound outside.

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  45. Отличный звук!

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  46. Great work like always SCS :)

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  47. How about trailers sound? I mean, some trailers make some noises when they're passing damaged road or rail crossing. Of course you can hear this only from outside :> not inside cab.

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    1. And noise from Trailer Refrigeration Units (reefer trailers).

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  48. make the trailers hooked up a little more because they go beyond the fender volvo

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  49. The V8 is the best idea you ever had! Please record an open pipe version, that sound is better than all

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  50. SCS here's a site where a lot of good trailers http://www.carrozadosrojo.com/de!!!

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  51. No one would complain, of a v8 sound being added......mind you I wouldn't drive anything else then lol......

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  52. SCS, guys. Have you considered a patch with new models of trailers, like with the truck models ? i'tll be cool! :)

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  53. You've got to love companies like SCS, they don't just milk money from the customers and call it a day. They actually put OUR money in ways to improve our loved game. SCS, you're one of my favorite companies out there!

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  54. Great job SCS Team :)
    I would love:
    - To switch on the air conditioner in case of fogged windows
    - To have at least 2 wipers speeds, normal and fast
    - To have the possibility to turn on/off the head lights WITHOUT a complete cycle (off, position lights, low beam) using one key to turn 'em on and another to turn 'em off
    - To see the animations of all the switchers written above

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  55. I dont understand! Why do we need America? There is ENORMOUS interest to Euro Truck Simulator 2.Work on American Truck Simulator...THIS is useless spending time.EUROPEANS Can you hear me.Lets vote for EARLY EARLY EARLY all-round Europe expansion.There are Scandinavia,Italy,Spain,France,Balkans finally Baltic countries and boundless East.Many trucks - Volkswagen,Foden,Erf....Hyundai Xcient,Daewoo Prima,UD Quester. THANK FOR THE CREATED

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    1. I just cannot stand the arrogance of some Europeans...
      We've had ETS, UKTS, GTS with Austria DLC, STDS and ETS 2... It's time for something else again.

      Besides that, Europe is incredibly boring compared to North-America. All the games I've mentioned above are so similiar in terms of landscape.
      The 18 WoS games covered almost everything North-America has to offer: deserts, urban area's, snowy area's industrial area's, forests... Etc...

      The European games only have shitty towns that are just exactly the same, woods and a few mountains...

      It's time to finnaly go back to America again.

      (This comes from a European btw)

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    2. I partially agree with you, while ETS2 popular, you need to improve it and add new trucks, trailers, city and country. It is profitable and SKS unnecessarily they can sell DLC is better than the ETS 2 Truck simulator does not exist)

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    3. Shut up idiot. ATS is coming whether you like it or not. There will be "ENORMOUS" interest for it too.

      Go back to not understanding, but be quiet about it.

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    4. I don't like you!

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  56. In this case, Russia even more diverse than America! There are mountains, forests, grasslands, sea (7 Seas) and m, q :) Here is a photo of Nature Russia https://www.google.com.ua/search?q=%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F+%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0&client=firefox-a&hs=sad&rls=org.mozilla:ru:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=-rt-UoChCNOqhAejroDIDg&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1506&bih=603

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    1. Yeah, but Russia is just... Well the word "shit" comes to mind.
      Besides that, Russia's landscape is not more diverse than North-America's.
      The north of North-America has pretty much the same environment as Russia, but the south of North-America is more diffrent than Russia because of the geographical position.
      Russia doesn't have deserts for example.

      So no, Russia's environment isn't more diverse than North-America's.

      Besides that, SCS should invest so much time into making the AI realistic, because nobody seems to give a f*ck on the Russian roads. :P

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    2. "Well the word "shit" comes to mind."

      Of course, because your media brainwashed and constantly love to confess and show only the bad about Russia (about drunken bears and Ivanov who drink vodka all day and play the balalaika). In Poland, for example, also have bad roads, but they are good in ETS2, no holes.

      In Russia there are deserts, or add a map of Kazakhstan, there are many deserts)

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    3. No, the word shit comes to mind because Russia really is shitty compared to Western-Europe, where I live.

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    4. Well as anyone, I love Russia and for me there is no better country. I'm not interested in your Western-Europe! )

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  57. in ETS 3 hope that the windows could be opened , the environnement enlarged (not only 5-6 streets in the industrial area), the graphics enhanced and detailed..

    for ETS 2 i wanna see Italy, France , Spain, Portugal, in an DLC, and Scandinavia in another !!
    because the game is not "euro" without these !! and an UPDATE that add details in the cities from the core version of the game, because now Poland is more detailed and enriched than initial cities.
    And "simulator" for now is much said, after the new AI we'll see if...

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  58. add strong winds in the storms and you hear the wind friction from inside the cockpit

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    1. +1 You feel those strong winds push your trailer around sometimes!

      If driving straight, a strong cross wind should push your trailer left or right and you have to counter steer to keep it all going straight.

      Possibly, if wind is blowing in opposite direction of a turn you are taking, truck is slightly more likely to tip over, as wind is acting it's force on same direction as truck is wanting to flip over.

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    2. You should put more trailers in the game. Im bored with these trailers already and I want some new. I dont like mods.

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  59. SCS here is another site with trailers http://www.rolfo.com/index.pl?pos=02.01.06.01&lang=de

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  60. Please customize road paintings per country as you dead for road signages. This would be really great to see that for example Belgian road paintings are different from Dutch ones.

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  61. Why (?) do Steam users receive an update of the patch 1.7.0, and every other user not?
    Wants SCS really to unwind his shops only about Steam? Then a big part of the users will say goodbye with certainty from the scene!

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  62. http://eurotrucksimulator2.com/update.php

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  63. I was talking about 1.7.1 !

    Notable changes:
    *) This build introduces a updated physics.
    *) Adjusted position of front gril locator on Volvo 2012
    *) Fixed volume of Volvo 2012 and Hi-Way engines
    *) Fixed steering wheel icons
    *) Fixed auxiliary interior animation in Volvo 2012
    *) Fixed position of the hook in Volvo 2012
    *) Fixed position of the roof camera in Volvo 2012
    *) Fixed sunshield for low roof variant of Man cabin
    *) Fixed duplicated stock exhaust on Stralis
    *) Left exhaust can be removed from Iveco trucks
    *) Fixed glitch at start of Volvo exhaust sound
    *) Some map fixes

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  64. SCS, сделайте пожалуйста видимые повреждения грузовика, груза и траффика(хотя бы какие-нибудь), тогда вся эта работа со звуками будет оправдана. и еще вопрос не потеме: очень интересно над каким расширением территории вы сейчас работаете?

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  65. when is this update coming up is it now or before Christmas but why is taken so long

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  66. like giveusatanck(gta3) fail

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  67. Please record the Daf engine sound

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  69. Dobrá práce už se těším....

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